in that his arguments against steroids just sucked the strength out of me. I was attempting to intelligently go through all the elements of the steroids issue to seperate fact from fiction. Maybe, we could then figure out WHY we are so against them. but tuna, once again in his simplicity, kept arguing "but drugs are bad, mmmkay?".

so, i'm ending the argument. I would have liked to discuss things such as laser eye surgery, tommy john surgery actually improving arm strength and the like. Then i'd follow it with a moral debate about what we want out of sports and how the essence of the game is natural ability and how steroids takes away from that.

but i give up. steroids are just bad. very very bad. the end.